Egil
Lothe, President of Buddhist Federation of
Norway, explores the role of Buddhism in relation to corruption.Mongolia Web News is happy to provide a platform for the discussion but does not necessarily endorse the points discussed.
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On
December 15, 2006 [1]
Thomas Terry, the president of Eagle Channel , an
American Christian TV
channel in Mongolia, wrote an
article titled “Why do Mongolians view corruption as “acceptable”?” based
on his readings of the USAID’s report,
Mongolia:
Trends in Corruption Attitudes .
The basis for the claim implied in the title of his article seems to be
his reference to the following statement in the report: “Respondents
claiming that some corruption is acceptable increased from 14.3 percent to
19.5 percent”. What the one-fifth of the respondents meant by “some
corruption” is not clearly stated. However deplorable a partial acceptance
of corruption by one-fifth of the respondents is, the report actually
suggests that Mongolians generally do not accept corruption, as 80% of
Mongolians, according to the report, did not claim that “some corruption
is acceptable”. Thus Thomas Terry’s allegation that Mongolians view
corruption as acceptable is in fact not corroborated by the report he refers
to. Still this does not stop Thomas Terry from explaining the prevalence of
corruption in Mongolian society as the result of a flaw of character of
the Mongolian people due to the influence of Buddhism and Atheism:
Mongolian
society has primarily been informed by the worldviews of Atheism and
Buddhism; but they don’t seem to be able to affect the kind of character
in society that makes corruption a source of personal shame. If these
worldviews actually had that ability, then one would expect with such a
long history here that corruption’s acceptability would not be on the
rise .
Considering
the deeply insulting nature of these allegations about the Mongolian
people one would assume that Thomas Terry would point to strong empirical
evidence proving a correlation between Buddhism and corruption, as well as
a contrasting correlation between Christianity and freedom from
corruption, as he claims in his article. Although Thomas Terry does not
refer to any such evidence there are in fact international studies
comparing countries as to their level of corruption. A study commonly
referred to is the annual
Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) by
Transparency
International [2]
which in 2007 rated Mongolia as
number 99 among 179 countries studied. This meant that 98 countries were
considered less corrupt than to
mention a few. Mongolia and 80
countries equally or more corrupt that Mongolia. Do we here see a
correlation between the religion of a country and the level of corruption
in that country, and if so is it to the favour of Christianity and the
disfavour of Buddhism? Mongolia, falling more or less in the middle range,
is clearly not a useful example in this connection. But what about other
countries? A first glance at the study may suggest a result that is
negative from the Buddhist point of view: Myanmar, a Buddhist country, is
found on the bottom of the list together with Somalia, a Muslim country.
On the other end of the list one finds Denmark, Finnland and New Zealand,
which are Christian countries (although strongly secular or “atheist”) as
the three least corrupt countries. However, looking at the list in more
detail one finds a more complex picture suggesting that religion may not
after all be the decisive factor. For instance Singapore, where Buddhism
is currently the largest religion, is the fourth least corrupt country in
the world. The fact that Japan is less corrupt that the United States also
suggests that there is in fact no such correlation as claimed by Thomas
Terry. Actually, among the countries that are more corrupt than Mongolia
there are a number of Christian countries such as Argentina, Guatemala,
the Philippines and Russia
For
Buddhists relevant guidelines to the problem of corruption is found in the
teaching of the
Buddha which says that wealth should be gained in accordance with moral
standards : " One should acquire it only by legal
means, not illegally; one should acquire it peacefully, without coercion
or violence; one should acquire it honestly, not by trickery or deceit;
and one should acquire it in ways which do not entail harm and suffering
for others " [3]
Thomas
Terry’s allegations about
Mongolia and Buddhism are therefore without factual foundations . However, it is deeply disturbing
that a person expressing such untrue and deeply denigrating allegations is
the president of an American television channel that has been allowed
to operate in Mongolia for many years. His attacks on Buddhist Mongolians is a
very poor way of responding to the tolerance he has been shown in this
country and should lead to renewed discussions about whether
Mongolian media should be allowed to be controlled by
foreigners.
[3]
See
references from the Buddhist canonical scriptures: Anguttara Nikaya 4:62;
Anguttara Nikaya 5:41; Anguttara Nikaya 8:54.
Comments (13)
1 Written by tomterry , on 2008-07-14 04:33:36, IP: 124.158.71.114 I have responded to Mr. Lothe's article at www.thomasterry.com. http://thomasterry.com/blog/article.php/20080714153718761 Tom Terry
2 Written by froit , on 2008-07-14 09:46:02, IP: 202.179.26.2 It's kinda shame you could not react right here, used too many words, but anyway, point made. So now what?
3 Written by MNS062808 , on 2008-07-14 10:51:20, IP: 207.200.116.131 If you would want to bring up that Christianity is somehow NOT corrupt, take a look at the 'payoffs' it received through the centuries from nations/conquistadores/missionary preachers eager to have the 'sanction' of Holy Mother Church for voyages of conquest and subjugation [Oh, and make sure to leave half the loot with the Vatican when you come back from killing/looting/raping those other civilizations too. Of course, you'll be FORGIVEN. You're doing the Lord's Work in that heathen land!] Such was the mindset of a major religion that could never countenance that other ways of belief might be equally as valid. Sorry, but its hard for me to buy that Buddhism somehow falls into league with such levels of depravity. Also that Buddhist countries are more corrupt than most Western ones. No religion is perfect, that is true. However, to slam and slight other nations and their beliefs and call them 'corrupt'- compared to Western norms- is the height of arrogance and ignorance. If Thomas Terry were to be banned from broadcasting in Mongolia and were he himself to be banned from even being in Mongolia I think it would be a positive step towards removing such misguided malcontents from what is, from what I've seen, a very beautiful and growing country. Mongolia doesn't need his brand of filth there. It needs positive growth and change and messages of the same.
4 Written by chimid4 , on 2008-07-14 12:52:43, IP: 193.198.142.218 I hope something positive can come out of this sharade- finnaly there is some point outs that this politics of mongolian government that made Tom Terry possible is ultimatly wrong and! I can not imagine what on Earth were they thinkig when they allowed such power to some bizzare christian protestanat sectarian from USA who is laughing stock in his own country as are all off them "talibangelicals"! No question about it lot's of mony exchanged hands- coruption made possible for him to talk about corruption but offcourse blame it on buddhism not on himself and his corrupted mongolian hosts and companions in Christ and Dollar! Wake up finnaly noble nation of Mongolia and take out the serpent from your nest- Terry go home and get some help! There is glorious and happy time of buddhist revival coming for Mongolia but for the Western world also if you can not be happy to it's just your problem.
5 Written by INTJay , on 2008-07-14 16:57:09, IP: 12.1.83.2 Would have to take a look at Thomas' remarks to get a full picture but true that workds and remarks must always be made with soem caution and consideration. However, it is a bit disturbing to hear of these "back to the roots" comments made so often accross many areas of religion. It gets a bit cloudy the further you go back in time as archeological evidence and linguistics become harder to clarify with full certainty. Most of your world religions have some roots back to a Hebrew/Babilonian-Zoastrian source. What was the most foundational, Zoaster or Hebrew? Well for another time maybe. But Buddhist or Christian, neither have the sole claim to Monoglia as a foundational religion nor does its more ancient Shamanistic cults. Even Chingis had a very mixed and hodgpodge of religions in his court. Corruption? Well Mongolia is deeply corrupt and worse every day. But is it a matter of religion? No. Just a matter of leaders getting more money and more greed for more money. They forgot of the people long ago and loose their focus more with each passing day and each bribe they take under the table. Each time they start the engine of their dirty vehicles and for every person living abroad off of some stolen aid money, the corruption and desire to steal form their own grows deeper. It then sets the standard that all below follwo. Are following. It is just plain dirty govenrment. Same as all the rest in this world.
6 Written by admin , on 2008-07-14 17:35:11, IP: 202.55.191.25 Thomas Terry reaction from his website (taken from here ) Apparently, an article I wrote December 15, 2006 has at least one prominent Buddhist up in arms so much that's he's written a letter to the editor of UB Post and had his piece publishing online through Mongolia-Web. Aside from the nearly two-year lateness of the response, Mr. Egil Lothe, the President of the Buddhist Federation of Norway, has used his article, Buddhism—The Cause of Corruption in Mongolia?, to advocate that for reasons of personal religious expression, the laws of Mongolia should be changed to disallow foreign ownership of media. The basis of Mr. Lothe's misguided domestic policy recommendation is his protest of my personal views, which were expressed solely on this website in the article, Why Do Mongolians View Corruption as Acceptable? I want to state up front, categorically, that contrary to Mr. Lothe's erroneous and misleading title, I have never, ever, either publicly or privately claimed or implied that Buddhism is the cause of corruption in Mongolia. There is a vast difference between cause and preventative effect. Mr. Lothe's use of such a deceptive title in his article about me is patently dishonest and intentionally misrepresentative of my views. Norway is well known as a country whose people cherish religious freedom. It is therefore discouraging to see the leader of an important, though small organization, advocating restrictions on speech and company ownership solely for reasons of religious expression. His reasons for his positions stand contrary to freedom of religion and freedom of speech. That's a shame. According to Mr. Lothe, my opinion regarding a USAID report... "...should lead to renewed discussions about whether Mongolian media should be allowed to be controlled by foreigners." I should note here that like me, Mr. Lothe is a foreigner, however, he does not live in Mongolia, and seems to have no vested interest here beyond his attachment to Buddhism, and apparently, restrictions on the religious expressions of other foreigners. Mr. Lothe has taken to criticizing me in these published forums even though I've not published an article with either organization. While my article is a social/religious commentary that attacks no one, Mr. Lothe's final conclusion leads me to suspect that his article is nothing more than a thinly disguised attempt to foster anti-foreign sentiment for religious reasons. Why? Because of an apparent distrust and/or dislike of Christianity. What was missing from Mr. Lothe's published articles was a line that he included when he emailed me a copy of the article on July 8th. What was missing from the published version was his statement: "As a recent visitor to Mongolia I got got somewhat aquanted with the local situation regarding various attempt by foreigners to make Mongolians change their religion in favour of Christianity" (exact quote). Aside from characterizing me as accusing all Mongolians of being corrupt (which I've never said or done), what Mr. Lothe is really protesting is the open expression of Christianity in Mongolia. More specifically, he doesn't want Christianity expressed through media, which I must admit is a very powerful medium of promotion. But since Christian expression in media here is the extreme minority of media expression, I have to wonder about his motives. Mr. Lothe has mis-characterized my article, and me. He falsely charges me with attacking the Mongolian people because I stated that Atheism and Buddhism "don’t seem to be able to effect the kind of character in society that makes corruption a source of personal shame" (that's preventative effect, NOT cause). I did not deny that moral teachings are present (in Buddhism). I was simply making a comment on the apparent lack of ability of those teachings to have a strong, positive effect toward anti-corruption in society. The track record, historically, doesn't seem to be there. He claims that my statement is an insult to the Mongolian people, and that for such an insult no foreigner should be allowed to control a media operation in Mongolia. That's some jump. Contrary to Mr. Lothe's misunderstanding, my statement (indeed, the whole article) is not an attack on the Mongolian people. What I did do was make a social commentary on the historic influence of Atheism and Buddhism and ask why, if these worldviews are so constructive, hasn't their increasing influence and exercise here facilitated a dramatic drop in corruption? To his credit, Mr. Lothe tries to answer that question. Had he simply done that I might have applauded him. Instead he is distributing his article in an attempt to foster anti-foreign sentiment against Eagle TV on solely—and sadly—religious grounds. The final conclusion of my 2006 article refutes the idea of suffering as the primary cause of corruption. It focuses on the Christian world view that man's own sinful nature is the root cause of problems like corruption. The assessment of the sin nature that I presented was done so covering all of humanity, not simply Mongols. I, and Mr. Lothe, and all Mongols, and all Americans, and all Norwegians, and all people everywhere at all times, suffer from the same coruption of sin. In the end, it is that idea of sin, and the expression in Mongolia of the Christian worldview that Mr. Lothe is actually protesting. He is welcome to do so, and has the right. But if Mr. Lothe stands for freedom and tolerance as would seem to be intimated by the principles of his religious faith, then his assertion that a media company not be permitted to have foreign owners simply because of the personal view of a single person would seem to contradict his cherished values. Eagle Television is owned by a foreign non-profit organization. That organization receives no profit or benefit from its support of Eagle Television. Eagle TV is the only foreign owned media entity in Mongolia. It was also the first private, independent TV station in Mongolia specifically committed to supporting Mongolia's freedom of speech, press, and conscience. That mission was established because of the Christian world view that guides its ownership. Eagle TV's Christian programming airs 4 hours a day out of the 17 hours we are licensed. Our Christian programming is specifically targeted to educate the already existing Mongolian Christian community about the teachings and practices of their own faith. In other words, less than one-fourth of Eagle TV programming is dedicated to religious instruction for Mongolian Christians. I'm forced to wonder if Mr. Lothe wants to deny Mongolian believers the priviledge of receiving religious instruction through television. Mongolia also has 24 terrestrial and cable-only TV channels owned by Mongols, virtually all of which are friendly to Buddhism. All of Mongolia's print media is very friendly to Buddhism. All of the more than 25 radio stations (except one) are friendly to Buddhism. So, of the more than 50 media entities in Ulaanbaatar (not counting the rest of the country) only one is openly friendly to, and supportive of Christianity on behalf of Mongolian Christians. Mr. Lothe recommends that minority position be legislated into nonexistence. Shame. I can only wonder what Mr. Lothe is afraid of, and why he, as a foreigner not living in Mongolia, seems so intent on openly attacking a foreigner who is investing his life in Mongolia, for Mongolians.
7 Written by Gordon , on 2008-07-14 20:25:38, IP: 58.170.132.9 There is a lot of smoke being produced at the moment. Lets not forget that Mr Lothe is reacting to an article written by Tom Terry in December 2006. Why has he waited so long? With the present push by the Govt to legislate foriegn ownership of media in Mongolia, is this a coincidence? Eagles Christian broadcasting is only about 4 hours of the day. The majority of the time Eagle is news and open forum talk back TV. Eagle is the ONLY TV station in Mongolia not owned or controled by Political influnces, so therefore the only truely free media outlet. You only have to look at 'Black Tuesday's" reporting to see that. Every other outlet took feeds from Eagle. One of the essential keys to reducing corruption is freedom of the press. With Eagle gone so has freedom of the press. One has to query the timing of the push to close Eagle down based on the recent events. In a nutshell - Freedom of the press makes Political parties accountable. Therefore corruption is better exposed. Ask the average person in the street what is the most popular news service in UB. They will answer Eagle TV.
8 Written by bilguun.m , on 2008-07-14 23:16:05, IP: 220.255.7.233 The fact is, corruption is always higher in underdeveloped / 3rd world countries. This has nothing to do with faith or religion. Would Mongolia have been less corrupt today if we were colonized by the British Empire or the Tsarist Russians and subjugated into accepting Christianity? Probably not, if the economic situations were as they are today. I think it is inappropriate and irrelevant to bring religion into a debate on corruption.
9 Written by tomterry , on 2008-07-15 00:08:50, IP: 124.158.104.137 Though my article from yesterday was excerpted by the Admin for the comments section, I wish to provide a direct reply to Mr. Lothe's accuasions as leveled in his article. ----- On July 10th, the UB Post published a letter to the editor by Egil Lothe, President of the Buddhist Federation of Norway. In the letter, Mr. Lothe falsely states that I wrote an article claiming that Buddhism is the cause of corruption in Mongolia. In addition, the letter, as presented in the UB Post, did not clarify where or when the article was published, leaving the reader with the impression that it was published recently, and perhaps in the UB Post. In fact, my article was written almost two years ago and appeared solely on a personal website. In his letter Mr. Lothe claims that I explain... "...the prevalence of corruption in Mongolian society as the result of a flaw of character in the Mongolian people due to the influence of Buddhism and Atheism." Mr. Lothe's statement is in every way, false. Contrary to Mr. Lothe's misleading title and false accusation, I have never, on any occasion, publicly or privately, verbally or in writing, ever claimed or implied that Buddhism is the cause of corruption in Mongolia. Nor does the article I wrote on December 15, 2006 say or imply any such belief. Mr. Lothe's use of a deceptive title, and his claims in his letter about me are patently dishonest and intentionally misrepresentative of my views. It is regrettable and shameful that the leader of an organization claiming to represent the Buddhist way of life should intentionally resort to deception to advance his agenda in Mongolia. Tom Terry President Eagle Broadcasting Company www.thomasterry.com -----
10 Written by INTJay , on 2008-07-16 17:04:00, IP: 12.1.83.2 Mongolia is a developing country "still" and due to the corruptioon of its officials. It could have already emerged as a solid and stable economy but then what better deal for a politician than to get all the welfare you can while stealing form your people at the same time. You get to have some body else pay your social bills while you glean the profits of your national resources.
11 Written by lostinmongolia , on 2008-07-28 16:05:14, IP: 24.143.105.143 after WWII the Philippines was the most developed country in Asia. Look at in now... languishing in corruption. Look at Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong. Japan\\\'s strong culture and moral values hates corruption in general. S. Korea at least has a sense of morals and justice maybe do to it\\\'s widespread religious climate. Hong Kong was the most corrupt but there were riots and then an anti-corruption force/ministry that has proven effective. No such thing in Mongolia. And i\\\'m afraid that it will follow in the footsteps of The Philippines. There is a Mongolian proverb... Ichsen hun, hun alna. (The shamed person will kill.) So 3 years ago when the FRC (Finacial Regulatory Commission) uncovered much corruption in the non-bank financial sector, one of the heads of an entity came with a knife stabbed and killed the FRC member who was uncovering his shameful corruption. That man has now been put to death. Mongolians are afraid to uncover corruption for fear of harm done to them. They will never expose the bad guys. Corruption is cultural in Mongolia. It was here before Socialism, it was here before democracy and now democracy\\\'s freedom has unleashed the true character of us Mongolians and produced the worst, shameful forms of corruption possible. As for you Chimid4.... you say...There is glorious and happy time of buddhist revival coming for Mongolia.... What Buddhist Revival.... will it come from the corrupt politicians who steel from the Ard tumen and drive Hummers? Will it come from the Police men who no one trusts and who extort money from everyone? Will it come from the doctors who ask for bribes from poor Mongolians? Will it come from all the teachers who take bribes from us students???? Will it come from all the daraga nar who only follow the bribe and not the law??? Will it come from the Lams who only take money from people, then go to the disco at night and never help anyone? Where will your Buddhist revival come from???? Odoo Mongol humuus zuvhun ed hurang shuutdag!! Mongol humuus yamar ch shashin sonierholgui..!!!! Bugdiig tam ruu yavnaa.
12 Written by INTJay , on 2008-07-29 08:21:05, IP: 12.1.83.2 lostinmgl, tough comments you made. tough if you have to say the words as a Mongolian. My wife recently went back to Mongolia after 5 years. It was good for her to see family and friends and some of the good changes that have come. Still it was difficult for her to accept that things in many areas of politics and order have gotten so much worse. There is an appearance put forward to seem better but it simply does not match up to daily reality. Her grandfather is a very old man but still wise and sharp in his mind. He said, "whenever your politicians become entangled in much money they forget their people". I never like to make any statement too one sided. America is every bit the whitewash as Mongolia and much of Mongolia's dilema stems from a capitalistic greed. Free market capitalism is not all bad but it does come with a great deal of "fine print".
13 Written by gamp , on 2008-09-01 13:50:59, IP: 70.0.235.63 Religion and corruption don't fit together. So there was no need to mention religion in his article about corruption, on Mr.Terry's part. Even if he didn't meant to say that Atheism and Buddism were the reason. He just wanted to say that Christianity does much better that Buddism when it comes to condemning corruption, thus causing a Buddist boss (meaning you, Mr.Lothe!) jump in and shoot back with machine gun. Both wrong. Mongols have a "good tradition" of giving gifts (modern term: bribery) as expression of appreciation and also to persuade somebody. I must mention though that Mr.Terry's done a good job bringing up this issue which still causes today more headache. Educating people morally might be not enough to fight corruption; there are also other ways such as fighting through tough laws and improving the economical standards of people. Again, by becoming or being Christian or Buddist you will not be anti-corruption. As for you ,Mr.Lothe, you didn't have to exaggerate things and make an elephant out of a mouse. By the way, Mongol lamas are "famous" for taking "bribes" and honestly do nothing in return to help the poor when some Christian charity organizations do help the poor. I actually don't see any advantages Buddism has brought to Mongolia and its people. You should be more talking about how ,in your opinion, can we make Mongolia less corrupt. If you not interested in doing so, then why don't you just shut the mouth and let others express freely their own mind in this regard.
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